Every family business succession story has an official version. This podcast is the unofficial one.

The hidden dynamics, blind spots and unspoken tensions that only show up once you’re in it. The stuff you’d normally unpack over a drink with someone you trust. Shane Williams is having that drink now, with the people who’ve lived it.

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22 September 2026

Farmers Don’t Retire: The Conversations That Never Happen

Kate’s dad was close to the end of his life when a physio asked him when he’d retired. His answer? “Farmers don’t retire”. Kate grew up the youngest of six on the family farm…

Where the board meeting ends and the real conversation starts.

Family business succession rarely unfolds as neatly as the plan suggests. The hardest parts are often the things nobody expected to discuss: control, identity, legacy, fairness and what comes next.

New episodes land fortnightly. Guests who have lived it, no polished case studies and no tidy hindsight. Just what actually happened, and the questions worth asking sooner.

Shane Williams

Hosted by Shane Williams, an independent technology adviser to the boards, owners and buyers of family businesses.
He asks the questions everyone saves for after the meeting.

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